[Accrs-ho] March Good Guys
ACCRS HO Scale
accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org
Thu Mar 12 07:20:11 PDT 2015
This is the biggest member exchange of views since the "Extension Cord"
incident over
10 years ago!
Andy H.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:50 AM, ACCRS HO Scale <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
wrote:
> Message From: Lee And Joan Buckner buckyrailfan at aol.com
>
>
> Group:
>
> Sorry for my big goof. That line should have read "not to discourage
> members of their participation in the hobby.
>
>
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ACCRS HO Scale <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> To: accrs-ho <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2015 7:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Accrs-ho] March Good Guys
>
> Message From: Lee And Joan Buckner buckyrailfan at aol.com
>
> Dean:
>
> Lets call a truce. I still disagree with you doing the project, without
> approval of the HO scale members, but what's done is done. I will enjoy
> running a stack train when I'm able to put one together. I also disagree
> with you when someone in the club has a disagreement with you, that you
> keep bringing up that you donate this, and that, as if it entitles you to
> something. As you have said I have donated some cars to the club, but I
> don't use that as a chip to get me a special entitlement, or keep bringing
> it up to other members, with whom I might have a disagreement with.
>
> I do agree with you to an extent of running prototypical trains, and try
> my best. I'm in the process of putting a UP DLS (stock train) together.
> Four of the cars painted in the UP yellow/silver scheme are BLI cars based
> on a PRR stock car. Again not prototypical but are stand-in's. Pulled by
> a set Alco FA, and FB units, which need to get decoders in them. Also my
> father was a butcher, so I collect meat reefers. Would in the future want
> to run a solid train of them. Again, prototypical? I'm not sure, but
> would bring me pleasure. I'm putting a PFE reefer train together, which I
> can run with my two Genises SD9's, or the Stewart F-unit set that YOU,
> installed decoders in for me. I have a Stewart FT A-B-B-A set in the Santa
> Fe original paint scheme, and a Proto 1000 Santa Fe F7 A-B-B-A set in the
> warbonnet freight scheme in the 200-series that also needs decoders.
> Working to put together a Santa Fe reefer train to run with them. Again I
> realize that most of the reefers won't be correct, as the hatches open in a
> different direction than most reefers do. Again, not perfectly
> prototypical, but no one who comes to a show will know. Unbeknownst to
> you, we have a member who has a Big Boy. He runs it with a mix of freight
> cars, that are not of a correct era for a Big Boy. He ran it with a modern
> caboose. I found a correct UP caboose for his train, and donated it to
> him, so he at least had the correct caboose to run with it. I've seen
> other trains on the layout that don't match eras as well. Also we have
> younger members who think all tank cars are alike, and have put a corn
> sweetner tank car at the oil refinery for instance. Its up to us older
> members to educate them in a positive manner, so as not to encourage their
> participation in the hobby. Lately, the club has seemed to have attracted,
> a number of new members, which is good for our club, and for the hobby,
> which I think everyone in the club, we can agree we all love.
>
> Didn't mean to pick on you, just stating my opinion. Will see you
> Saturday at Winterail.
>
>
>
> Lee
> ----Original Message-----
> From: ACCRS HO Scale <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> To: accrs-ho <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2015 7:30 am
> Subject: Re: [Accrs-ho] March Good Guys
>
> Message From: Dean & Margaret Lewis lewis2 at earthlink.net
>
> Lee,
>
> 1. If you would bother to look, the WS cars are in the metal cabinet
> under hidden. Probably on one of the lower two drawers where they fit
> nicely and don't get banged around. They are some of the most logical cars
> to keep there as the overflow cars from Hidden.
>
> 2. I did not start the project that night. I had tried to run a stack
> train earlier in the day. I was able to get it around the layout "once"
> after considerable problems. After that, I knew where to look for fixes.
> I came back the next week or maybe a week after that and started to fix the
> problem. I have now worked two Fridays on two portals.
>
> I looked at the tunnel portals as a * maintenance problem* which to me
> would fall into the same catagory as fixing a bad section of track or
> replacing a dropper that needed soldered. If I am wrong, so be it. I
> didn't expend any club funds and now anyone can run stacks through those
> portals. It was an easy fix. I didn't say you approved, I said you
> thought it was a good idea because you wanted to run your stacks too (with
> your Mearsk and Mearsk container cars). That would be a very different
> and prototypical train and look neat. Turns our my memory wasn't correct
> as all I had to do was remove the little stone trim edge around the tunnel
> entry and widen it slightly and it looks like a concrete tunnel. Now the
> portal that leads into the helix is a stone tunnel and probably will need
> changed if it causes a problem.
>
> 3. Pretty much nothing moves unless the main panel is operated. To me
> it made more sense to put the monitor over the control panel instead of the
> passenger panel. Maybe I am too practical, but I really thought that that
> was where it was going. We disagreed and went on with running trains.
>
> 4. Not sure why you are upset. This wasn't supposed to be a "War and
> Peace" discussion for just a simple maintenance fix and trying to keep
> Hidden in some semblance of order.
>
> Dean
>
>
> On 3/10/2015 8:02 PM, ACCRS HO Scale wrote:
>
> Message From: Lee And Joan Buckner buckyrailfan at aol.com
>
>
>
> Dean:
>
> Here's my response to your comments about the tunnel portals, and I will
> get to the cars later.
>
> First, I totally agree with you about notching the tunnel portals, and
> would have voted yes at the HO meeting on Friday night the 13th. That
> night I discussed the issue with a few of the other members, and found out
> they weren't against it, and some of them don't model the modern era. I
> didn't talk to everyone, and can't presume how they would have voted, but I
> think it would have passed. But, the fact is that it didn't come up for a
> vote, as you weren't there. I know you were at the general meeting, but
> weren't at the HO meeting. I don't know why you had to leave before the HO
> meeting that night, and its really none of my business, but me telling you
> that I approve you doing the project without getting a vote from the club,
> doesn't give you approval to do it. I understand you had already began the
> project that night. I went back, and checked one of the emails you sent on
> 2/10 about the portal project. You said, quoted as follows: "I'm not
> against notching the tunnels as it looks cool. I don't think they notch
> stone work tunnels as it would weaken them. We have to do something to
> change to concrete style, or raise the ones we have." End quote. My reply
> to you on the same date 2/10, is as follows: Hi Dean: Something to
> discuss during Friday night's HO meeting" End quote. I can produce a copy
> of this email if you want to see it.
>
> This in no way indicates that because I agreed with you on the concept,
> and would have voted yes at the meeting of 2/13/15 that you were right in
> bypassing a vote of the club. If I had done the same thing you would have
> been the first one in my face. You, do remember the incident of the flat
> screen monitors, don't you? We voted at a meeting before the fair to put a
> flat screen monitor over cab three to see how they would handle the fair
> environment, before committing to putting two over the main cabs, in case
> that one didn't work out. When it was put up over cab three, you created a
> big stink, even making derisive comments about the members doing the work.
> You said we voted without your knowledge, when in fact you were at the
> meeting. At that time, we had a written voting sheet, and perhaps we
> should think about going back to that. When the monitor came through the
> fair like a champ, and the two monitors were put up over the main cab, you
> finally calmed down.
>
> Now, lets get to the cars. I do have a question for you. Where are the
> Wisconsin Southern "one of" cars that the club purchased, and were on the
> layout? After the former Trainmaster left the club they seemed to
> disappear. I remember a fuss made about it, and they seem to magically
> appear. After that fuss died down, they again disappeared. Where are
> they? I have an Wisconsin Southern SD40-2, DCC equipped, and a WS F45 that
> is right now analog, but will be converted to DCC, that I could run with
> them. Now, I agree with you that if I want to run all the WS "one of" box
> cars together, it isn't prototypical, but the ACCRS is a model railroad
> club, and doesn't have to report to the Surface Transportation Board, or
> the ICC before that, depending on the era were modeling.The recurring theme
> of many of the member's emails I've seen is that model railroading is a
> HOBBY, and should be fun. Using your logic of "one of's" shouldn't all of
> the UP, and NS Heritage locomotives be banned from the layout? I think
> not, and I think even you would agree. I have Santa Fe GP60M No. 146 which
> was in the Mearsk paint scheme for only two weeks for the photo shoot on
> Cajon Pass. Because it was unique, and I worked for an Ocean Shipping
> Company it was the first GP60M, that I purchased. I personally like
> unique locomotives, and cars that are "one of's" This is what gives me
> pleasure. I also have some cars from conventions, other model railroad
> clubs, and model railroads such as the Virginian & Ohio, etc. My take is a
> little different than yours on the hobby. I don't say your wrong, about
> what you run. I think you're a very good modeler, and really enjoy seeing
> your trains run on the layout, as I do for the other members of the club as
> well. Your coal train was awesome.
>
> Just my take on things. Didn't mean for this to become "War & Peace."
>
>
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ACCRS HO Scale <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org> <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> To: accrs-ho <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org> <accrs-ho at mail.accrs.org>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 5:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Accrs-ho] March Good Guys
>
> Message From: Dean & Margaret Lewis lewis2 at earthlink.net
>
> Lee,
>
> Maybe I should just leave you message alone, but there are some
> interesting comments here. Since I wasn't there, I don't know who might
> have shouted you down, but I have a hard time believing this was anything
> done on purpose. Also, I don't know of anyone that tells you what cars to
> run or not. I know that I feel that trains should look prototypical per
> the era. I wouldn't want to see a 53' container car running with a bunch
> of 1950-60 style 40' box cars. There is a certain level that should be
> maintained in our trains to keep them prototypical by era.
>
> As far as I know, all major projects get member approval. I know
> recently I discovered some tunnel portals that didn't like double stacks.
> I widened a couple of portals in the last couple of weeks. It wasn't
> voted on as it was more of a maintenance item than a major construction
> project. I still have a couple more to fix. You even said that was a
> good idea when I discovered the problem.
>
> As far as cars on the layout, everybody can run their own cars or use club
> cars. Personally, I try to keep "hidden" in some semblance of order. I
> try to keep club cars restricted to tracks 1 through 4. That leaves 5
> through 9 for members to set up their own trains. As we have more cars
> than those 4 tracks can hold, I have placed the extra ones in the club
> drawers under hidden. Since the more modern style cars are the most
> popular to use, I put the older style in the drawers. I don't see that as
> telling anyone what cars they can run.
>
> I think that we should respect each other and have fun. I don't believe
> there is anyone there that is trying to run the club and I don't think
> anyone will be trying to tell us which railroad we can model. I have seen
> a wide variety of equipment on the layout recently. It seemed to me that
> everyone was having fun.
>
> Just for the record, I am not a fan of "Thomas the Tank" but others are
> and run him. If they are not there, I won't run him.
>
> Just my take.
>
> Dean
>
>
>
>
> On 3/9/2015 4:20 PM, ACCRS HO Scale wrote:
>
> Message From: Lee And Joan Buckner buckyrailfan at aol.com
>
>
>
> Group:
>
> While I've complained about the DCC vis DC issue for the upcoming show,
> and I wasn't able to say my piece before getting shouted down, what upsets
> me most is that we have a couple of members that think the club is
> "theirs", and not "ours", and their don't have to follow club procedures,
> such as getting club approval for a project they want, and just go ahead,
> and do it. That is why I made the comment that the back of my vests say
> ACCRS, and not their names. Also they rule what cars we can run on the
> layout. What is next, we have to model the railroad they do?
>
> I expressed my concern to John Kohlberg about this on Friday night.
>
> I express my condolences to you John, and to Ed for having to go through
> all this, but I feel I have to take a stand on this subject.
>
>
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
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