<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Tony<div>I don’t know. However, there is a refrigerator IO group. That might be able to answer the questions. You need to join and ask. </div><div>Regards</div><div>Jere <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"> <blockquote type="cite">On Sep 26, 2023, at 1:47 PM, Tony Long <tony.long@outlook.com> wrote: </blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Message From: Tony Long tony.long@outlook.com <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; } a:link, span.MsoHyperlink { color: blue; text-decoration: underline; } .MsoChpDefault { } @page WordSection1 { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 1in; } div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }</style> <div class="WordSection1"> Yes, it can be scaled down to any scale, I can send you part files for test printing once this gets more put together. <o:p> </o:p> The other PFE cars on my radar are the mechanical reefers from ca. 1958 to 1960’s R-70-10, R-70-12. <o:p> </o:p> IIRC, there is a R-70-10 at Campo. I don’t know where else any of these car might still exist - do you know where others might exist ? <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> From: <a href="mailto:upwpfan@comcast.net">JERE I.</a> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 12:53 PM To: <a href="mailto:accrs@mail.accrs.org">Alameda County Central Railroad Society</a> Subject: Re: [Accrs] PFE R-40-27 </div> <o:p> </o:p> Message From: JERE I. upwpfan@comcast.net Tony Interesting, are you planning to complete this as a 3d DESIGN. If so, I can print it on my Elegoo Jupiter resin Printer. Let me know Regards Jere Ingram 1826 Moreland Drive Alameda, CA. 94501 (H) 510 865 7531 (C) 925 286 2479 > On 09/26/2023 9:40 AM PDT Tony Long <tony.long@outlook.com> wrote: > > > Message From: Tony Long tony.long@outlook.com > > > > Three of these cars still exist. At Campo, Niles Canyon, and Portola. > > > > I believe this was the last of the ice bunker built cars. There is a R-40-28 which is the same general design/arrangement, except it has 8’ -0” door opening. The CSRM has a few drawings of this. Last week I purchased the General Design and Steel Sheathing drawings. > > > > Here is what the basic side framing starting to look like. See Below. The steel shapes you see so far are the Z26 82.4# Center Sill, ZU Side Plate, 6” Channel for bottom Side Sill, 5”x3”x5/16” Angle used as the top Side Sill. The door posts are 3 3/8” 8.3# Z 28, and the intermediate posts are pressed channel with flanges using Yoloy steel. These steel shapes are in the United States Steel catalog and provide the exact dimensions – available on Google Books. > > > > Unfortunately, the drawings for the individual posts (corner, intermediate, door) are not in the CSRM archives. There are a couple other drawings I need to purchase (underframe, ice bunker detail), but I think there is enough information to create a very accurate model of this and what is missing in drawings can be substituted with measurements taken off the real thing. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Tony > > > > > > General View of the side framing so far. > > > > > > > > Intermediate posts- notice how they are pressed to lap over the angle. The steel sheathing lays on the outside edge of the side sill. > > > > > > > > Top of intermediate posts which are connected to the ZU side plate. There is a small offset between the side sill and side plate, therefore the intermediate post have another pressed offset. This is what they used Yoloy steel as it is good for strength and pressing into shapes. The steel sheathing fits into this gap. > > > > > > > > Top view of the left hand door post Z 28 and the intermediate post to the left. The Z 28 was originally created as a side plate, but car designers came up with other creative uses. The door opening is framed with Z 28, another horizontal section is used to establish the top. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Accrs mailing list > Accrs@mail.accrs.org > <a href="https://mail.accrs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/accrs">https://mail.accrs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/accrs</a> _______________________________________________ Accrs mailing list Accrs@mail.accrs.org <a href="https://mail.accrs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/accrs">https://mail.accrs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/accrs</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> _______________________________________________ Accrs mailing list Accrs@mail.accrs.org https://mail.accrs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/accrs </div></blockquote></div></body></html>